Brief Overview Of Some Empowering Elixir Comparanda – Soma, Kvasir, Mead of Poetry, Ambrosia, etc.

As promised, short-form not-articles of broader interest. This is from an interaction about Soma / Kvasir / Mead of Poetry / Ambrosia, etc. etc.


We can tell that Soma & Kvasir *should* be the same substance based around the unmistakably coterminous elements contained in the Skaldskaparmal & Havamal mythology for the obtaining of the latter … with the Vedic ritual elements for the obtaining of the former. Sturluson’s account, in other words, has preserved a mythologized (yet still recognizable) recounting that is the same general ritual, from the same source, as the Vedic understanding.
Now, I don’t deny that something peculiar happened viz. the Greeks so that they wound up with a prominent role for alcohol in their later civilization – yet in the *earlier* materials, and still residually there even in some later ones, you can see the much more close coterminity in key aspects with what we know from Vedic evidence.

[the particular example which springs to mind is Achilles’ empowerment from “Nectar and Ambrosia” as delivered by Athena – directly coterminous with the key role for Aditi Vak Saraswati in the bestowal of both Ugra [the ‘furor’ state] and the empowerment of Soma in Vedic understanding … with interesting key mytholinguistic descriptors for Achilles’ state which *show* it’s the same understanding being deployed there; the interesting situation of Herakles / Hercle / Hercules and Hera / Uni / Juno with regard to milk and apotheosis/empowerment is similarlyl resonant ; as is what occurs with Triptolemos & Demeter ]

[as applies the Greeks, it isn’t just wine etc. – or, for that matter, something-laced wine – which winds up crowding out somewhat what would have been the more authentic element. Olives and olive oil appear to have somehow wound up with a not entirely dissimilar mytho-cultural role, as can be demonstrated via … some of the stuff which goes on with Greek mythologization of what elsewhere in the IE sphere we recognize as rituals (admittedly, rituals also preserved for easy memorization in narrative form in various ritual commentary texts).]

The Scythian lack of familiarity – and, depending upon which bit of Herodotus one is reading from (because it’s an internally contradictory text on the relevant points for .. reasons that I don’t think i got around to discussing in any of my works upon the subject but which basically come down to some of the occasions where Scythians show up them being used as more of a literary device than a genuine recounting of their culture – the ‘opposite to civilization’, so to speak) – with alcohol further speaks to that not having a (major) role in the *actual* archaic Indo-European empowering elixir.

The situation of the Scythians as – particularly in the East, what had been the *conservative* post-Andronovo IE religion (as demonstrated by their *severe disdain* for the Zoroastrian Heresy .. despite later post-facto Achaemenid era syncreticisms which started to emerge in some places on a mostly aesthetic rather than substantive basis) should be taken as indicative if not necessarily authoritative (because we don’t have enough Scythian material in any depth nor detail to *be* authoritative with).

Which is important to note because what we *can* tell from relatively recent archaeological unearthing on the subject is that … yeah, (Indo-)Scythian utilization of psilocybin mushrooms for Soma was, indeed. a thing. And rather directly attested, too.

And it matches up rather strikingly well with the ethnobotany (more properly, ethnomycology i suppose?) of psilocybin bearing mushrooms – like, the effect profile described in Vedic comparanda and preparation processes are still recognizable today. [which has interesting bearing upon the – potential – alcoholic incorporation for the Nordic iteration, because you can def perform an alcohol extraction for psilocybin, but more especially you can utilize an alcoholic solution for *preservation* purposes as well.]

Although my position is that Zoroastrian Haoma is .. an “in name only” equivalent – insofar as the same “culture-jamming” process which the Zoroastrians deployed about *just about everything else* , they did with said empowering elixir as well. Which makes logical sense when you consdier the serious lengths they went to to try and suppress / eradicate the orthodox religion they were supplanting, its priesthood and genuine divine connection.
Hence, ephedra being utilized rather than an actual ‘proper’ mind-altering substance /entheogen.


Now, of course, there’s quite a lot of expansion upon various of those points I’ve just briefly touched on there – and you can read all about it in various of my other works.

But figured that a really brief primer overview would be of interest in the mean-time.

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